Tuesday, November 6, 2007

Who Flipped it better? Brian Kidd Vs. Timbaland

If it isn't obvious by now Brian Kidd used to work closely with Timbaland and even produced a few tracks for Timbaland Productions. The 2 parted ways and Kidd went on to solo produce for T.I., Philly's Most Wanted, and the Nappy Roots to name but a few. Kidd has actually been a part of both of the Nappy Roots albums, producing "Country Boyz" from their 2002 hit album Watermelon, Chicken, and Gritz as well as "No Good" from their 2003 album Wooden Leather. Both are solid productions and both show that Kidd is no stranger to flipping a sample. Could he have learned a la his former mentor or could it have been the other way around? (Tim and Polow have shouted out Kidd as an influence before)

I am a fan of both Nappy Roots tracks but it wasn't until Nelly Furtado's Loose album came out in 2006 that I realized something sounded familiar. The track that I immediately recognized wasn't the obvious "Do It" rather it was Nelly's "Wait For You" and why? Because Timbaland uses the exact same sample Brian Kidd uses in "No Good" but 3 years later. Coincidence? Yeah right! That seems just a little too ironic for me. Of course as most of you all say everytime I do one of theses posts "it's a common sample Boogie stop trippin'." I would normally disagree with especially considering the close working relationship these 2 had. Did Kidd introduce the sample to Tim? Did Tim first give the sample to Kidd and then come back to it later? Who knows for sure.

So this is where the post should end, with me always looking for a conspiracy and all of you arguing with me that I'm looking too much into things. Well as it turns out I may have to go with all of you this round and say this sample may be more common than past repeat samples we have mentioned. Take a listen to this track. Sound familiar? It also uses the same sample as Tim and Brian Kidd (as well as the Diwali Riddim that Sean Paul's "Get Busy" made famous). Seems as though the sample may be a common one, maybe from a sample CD or somewhere else?

Ok so who flipped it the best? You decide and BIG bonus points if you can name the sample or sample CD (not a word Big A or Czar!)

22 comments :

  1. I want to know when and where what article tim mentioned brian kidd as an influence just asking.

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  2. Coincidence? N-E-V-E-R! The sample is just wayyyy too exotic

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  3. Castro from GermanyNovember 6, 2007 at 1:02 PM

    yes, It is exotic, and thats the reason i need to exactly who he took it from and what his name is, pretty please!!!!

    haha

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  4. I think Tim & Danja flipped the sample better. The sample is Allah Allah Desem Sana by Muhlis Akarsu.

    -Claire

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  5. Castro frfom GermanyNovember 6, 2007 at 1:14 PM

    Thanx allot

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  6. Tim killed that sample on "Wait For You". He raised the bar for sure

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  7. Castro from GermanyNovember 6, 2007 at 1:32 PM

    Does Anybody have that? Could Ya´ll put it up on zshare, that would be great thanks allot again.

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  8. honestly Its kinda obvious that Tim influece Brian and not the other way around. If you listne to those wack ass beats Brian Kidd did for T.I. and than listen to the shit he waqs doing after he was working with Tim thisd wouldn;'t even be a discussion. The Brian Kidd joints on T.I.'s 1st album sounded mad boring. You can't tell me he influenced Tim after listening to them shits

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  9. If you think about it the main reason why tim used to work with brian was because brian has something tim doesnt and that playing skill...when it comes to playing on beats timbo is very simple but give Brian or Danja a keyboard and its over they do what he cant.... Brian plays all his tracks when he isnt sampling the same for Danja... Tims drum patterns are jam packed with tracks if you listen to all the sounds he has on a drum pattern its almost ways over 8... Now Danja and Brian they dont put to much emphasis on the drum patterns BUT they still make it hot.. So its but ways on the influences you scratch my back I scratch yours ya dig?

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  10. Tims drums>>>>>>Kidd,Danja,
    Danja>>>>>Kidd

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  11. Muhlis Akarsu- Allah Allah Desem Gelsem (Sana)

    http://www.zshare.net/audio/47232168a17137/

    -Claire

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  12. i dnt agree with that statment bout tim on da keyboards, we all kno his new stuff aint as hot as his old but if u listen to stuff lyk csn we by swv and shit lyk dat u cant tel me tim dont hav mad skillz on da keyboard. and personally i think he is da best sampler out there along with premo. but difference wid tim is dat sometimes u wont even kno its a sample, or how he will only use lyk a 2 sec snippet of a song and flip it into a banger

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  13. For the record, Tim inspired both Kidd and Danja in the drums department.

    And, thanks for the sample, Claire... hell if I'd listen to that song again, though. I really appreciate what both Kidd and Tim/Danja were able to come up with. Suffice it to say, "Wait for You" comes off as more natural when compared to the original track. It runs at a similar speed as the sample and doesn't sound as arrogant as Kidd's track.

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  14. Tim admits his skills behind the keyboard aren't great...he says "it makes him who he is" but he has guys like Danja and Kidd who can play keys better...

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  15. Thank u claire for the link, timbos version stands out more to me, the drums and claps hit much harder..aswell as other elements in the track

    And for the record, timbo himself has said he doesn't even "play" keys that much..he's a sampler at heart and only plays a little..which is why he has his own pianoman aka danja

    Terra

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  16. thanks for the sample...but i'd really want to know what sample cd tim used for what goes around... from what I know I heard that in that track he didn't use a sample from a song like in wait for you and I still haven't managed to find the cd he used for jt's track...i heard the sample in the vol 8 czar samplemix but i'd really like to know the name of that sample cd...can anyone help please?

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  17. THe sample CD they all got the sample from is Ali Babba and the 40 Ravers. The only reason i'm even saying anything is because the cd's been discontinued for a while and i doubt ya'll could get a hold of it. I know czar got cpy though,lol

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  18. Yea in an interview someone asked tim what he thought he could improve production wise and he said the keyboards he wished he could get better at it. It would be nice but i like how he structured his beats around the drums.

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  19. listen to Bounty Killer - Sufferer (feat. Wayne Marshall) you can hear the sample better on it

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  20. ^^^I'll check that Bounty Killer track out, thanks for that.

    And yes Ali Babba & The 40 Ravers great job!

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  21. i dnt get the comparison to diwalie riddim, can some1 tel me plz

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  22. ^^If you listen to the "Tap A Tappa" track I posted and then listen to Sean Paul's "Get Busy" you'll hear that they use the rhythm pattern or riddim.

    In this case the particular riddim used in both songs is called the Diwalie riddim.

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